Should I do kendo or fencing

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  1. 05-05-2006, 21:35#1
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    Kendo vs. saber fencing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl4xp...earch=kenjutsu

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  2. 06-05-2006, 07:05#2

    A question because I don't know anything about Asian KKs at all: Is kendo similar to sports and competition-oriented as sports fencing?
    Or is kendo a discipline suitable for real combat, i.e. was it actually fought x years ago, e.g. when it came to a duel?

  3. 06-05-2006, 07:07#3
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    Both developed from serious combat training, but meanwhile Kendo is just as 'sporty' as western fencing; where as everywhere it depends on the trainer.
    Last edited by Jörg B. 06-05-2006 at 07:41.
    Too much is told about too little experience

  4. 06-05-2006, 12:05#4
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    nice video but a bit mega pixelated the kendoka hit the fencer on the carotid artery ???? Or did I see wrong there ???

  5. 06-05-2006, 14:41#5

    What's that about?

    This is not only ridiculous but downright dangerously stupid!

    Kendoka wear their protective clothing to protect themselves from kendo attacks with Shinai. Sport fencers wear their protective clothing to protect themselves from an attack with sport fencing weapons.

    Only here the kendoka is not attacked with a Shinai and the sport fencer is not attacked with a sport fencing weapon. A stab to the Kendoka's head could literally have been eye-catching.

    The sport fencer would certainly not have acted against a katana (well, maybe yes - evolution is a chance )

    The Kendoka, on the other hand, was surprisingly cautious. Perhaps he was aware of the (missing) protective effect of his "mask" against a stab from the fencer.

    greeting

    Stefan

  6. 06-05-2006, 19:26#6

    Quote by Jörg B.
    Both developed from serious combat training, but meanwhile Kendo is just as 'sporty' as western fencing; where as everywhere it depends on the trainer.
    Correct. However, in kendo it is generally much harder and "closer to the sword" than in sport fencing, especially if the training group and the sensei are appropriately designed.

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    This is not only ridiculous but downright dangerously stupid!

    Kendoka wear their protective clothing to protect themselves from kendo attacks with Shinai. Sport fencers wear their protective clothing to protect themselves from an attack with sport fencing weapons.

    Only here the kendoka is not attacked with a Shinai and the sport fencer is not attacked with a sport fencing weapon. A stab to the Kendoka's head could literally have caught the eye.

    The sport fencer would certainly not have acted against a katana (well, maybe yes - evolution is a chance )

    The Kendoka, on the other hand, was surprisingly cautious. Perhaps he was aware of the (missing) protective effect of his "mask" against a stab from the fencer.

    greeting

    Stefan

    The test is really nonsense. However, I would not necessarily justify this with the danger. The fencer wears a padded protective vest and if I'm not mistaken, the fencing gloves are a little padded, as well as the fencing mask (e.g. against blows in saber fencing). Certainly not the optimal protection against a shinai, but better than nothing and I think it would survive a decent man ;-) The danger to the kendoka's eyes may be, but this would be negated if he had plexiglass eye protection in the men that many in kendo now have. This protection is actually supposed to protect against bamboo splinters, but to my knowledge it would certainly also protect the eyes adequately from a sting. I also ask whether people still stab the face in sport fencing?

    Otherwise this fight is absolute cheese, what is it supposed to prove? Aside from the fact that the kendoka's hiki-men didn't hit, he hit the neck, not the skull, as it should be. To keep on shitting wisely, the fumikomiashi was also not appropriate to the species and so I would not have given a point as a referee ;-)

    But the film is definitely too short to draw more precise conclusions from the sense and nonsense of this attempt at combat.
    Last edited by itto_ryu; 06-05-2006 at 7:35 PM.

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  8. 07-05-2006, 07:50#8

    Quote by Jörg B.
    The same goes for fencing; after a training session, depending on the weapon, I looked like a dalmatian or a zebra.
    Seriously? Doesn't look that tough on TV.

    Quote by Jörg B.
    Gloves and mask are * minimally * padded, but the jacket is not.
    But I still think that they protect against a shinai better than nothing And a do hit on the clothed torso, you can endure. As I said, the protection is certainly not optimal, but it is not particularly dangerous to the public and health.

    Quote by Jörg B.
    But of course. The head is the hit zone in the saber and epee, but not in the foil, but it never was.
    So the head, i.e. the skullcap or the face?

  9. 07-05-2006, 08:13#9
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    Quote by itto_ryu
    Seriously? Doesn't look that tough on TV.


    To ask?

    Quote by itto_ryu
    But I still think that they protect against a shinai better than nothing And you can bear a do hit on the clothed torso. Certainly, as I said, the protection is not optimal, but it is not particularly dangerous to the public and harmful to health.
    The cushioning effect of a normal fencing jacket should be about the same as that of a denim jacket, rather a little less.


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    So the head, i.e. the skullcap or the face?
    Um, both?
    Too much is told about too little experience

  10. 07-05-2006, 09:09#10

    How do they say? If you train with sharp weapons, it doesn't hurt so much.

    greeting

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  12. 07-05-2006, 12:21#12

    Quote by itto_ryu
    The test is really nonsense. But I wouldn't necessarily justify this with the danger.
    Oops. I didn't mean 'dangerous and therefore ridiculous' but 'ridiculous and dangerous too'.

    On the subject of danger, there is also the fact that sport fencing clothing should also stop broken blades. Can the kendo dress do that too?

    greeting

    Stefan

  13. 07-05-2006, 16:31#13
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    Epee or foil are pure stabbing weapons

    Epee or foil are purely stabbing weapons, however, katana etc. are mainly cut weapons. Therefore the comparison is very difficult, if not pointless.

  14. 07-05-2006, 21:59#14
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    The sword is a cutting and stabbing weapon, the foil was originally a pure training weapon and is now a stabbing weapon in sporting competition. Besides that, the video was about a saber ...
    But if they tell you that I've lost my mind
    Baby it's not gone just a little hard to find

  15. 07-05-2006, 22:37#15
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    Negative Trinculo,

    the sword is purely a stabbing weapon.
    Too much is told about too little experience

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