How credit card companies cheat people

Incredible .. cheating on Amazon made easy


karstenschroeder21#21

... yes ... and I'm curious what a buyer will say to the judge ... maybe yes "... of course I can keep the goods and of course the money that was returned by Amazon too, because the seller has delivered to an address that I have given him ... not to the deposited one and according to Amazon he is not allowed to do that ... so ... all mine ... :-) ...! "


karstenschroeder21#22

Yes and again yes ... there are and of course you can take civil action against it. The entire correspondence was documented via AMAZON and if the Amazon supporter had taken 1 minute of his time, with common sense he would not have been allowed to transfer the money back but would have let it escalate and both parties would have listened again. Then the cell phone would now be with the “customer” and the money would be in the seller's account.


jackmanwulf#23

For self-protection alone, some really shouldn't trade on amazon
and prefer to make your deals in the e-book.


Fritz#24

and an incredible stupidity to agree with them


PB.de#25

I find it amusing to read along - the only thing missing is the smiley that eats popcorn.

You can shake your head about a lot at Amazon. Just not here.

I do not know of any payment service provider who will approve a subsequent change to the delivery address if payment to the seller is to be guaranteed:

Paypal
Visa
Mastercard
Billsafe
Secypay
Immediately AG

etc. etc.

If you find one, you can post it here. As a reminder: a payment service provider / system that guarantees payment (i.e. assumes liability)


PB.de#26

In the end: yes.

Has he received the goods, is there a tracking number?
Then, if he is actually the customer, you can take civil action against it.


PB.de#27

WHERE is the cell phone now?
Somebody has to have it?

By the way:

Marketplace orders at Amazon can only be placed by direct debit or credit card. The credit card companies also demand the money back from Amazon if the customer objects, if the verified delivery address was not used. I don't know whether Amazon will do the factoring for direct debit or an external person. In any case, it works the same way -> keyword “credit check”

Edit: What's this problem to Amazon? It's just a marketplace.

Edited by: PB.de on May 15, 2013 3:05 PM


PB.de#28

The reminder must be sent to the INVOICE ADDRESS

Who took the cell phone? The customer?
If not, you can possibly take recourse against the service provider -> complaint to them.


No horn#29

Dear seller,

I honestly believe that your lawyer will wash your head first.

Something about the "business world":

You have concluded at least three contracts with your sale. Two of these are completely separate contracts of ownership, money and goods.
You have undertaken, among other things, to transfer ownership of the goods to the buyer. The question now arises as to whether the owner of the Amazon account is in fact the one who received the goods abroad. So the question arises whether you have fulfilled your transfer agreement at all.

After that, all your endeavors to get someone compensated for the damage caused by your gullibility will be in vain. Should a lawyer indeed take on this case, you will end up being left with the costs, at least your own contribution, if you have one of the few RSV that also secures contract law.

And again: Amazon cannot iron out your mistake. They have taken all possible security measures to allow as little fraud as possible on either side of the sale. If you overturn these security measures, Amazon can no longer do anything.


karstenschroeder21#30

A con artist? Are the addresses of buyers and sellers not checked here?


OFpicious#31

The Amazon guidelines clearly state that you can just may deliver to the address that was transmitted by Amazon, because only then can it be ensured that this address is also assigned to the correct customer, and not to a fraudster. In other words, this rule is designed to prevent fraud prevent.

So to say that Amazon makes life easier for scammers is an interesting twist of the facts. But it is a normal human reaction that after such a frustrating experience you first look for blame elsewhere.


katana#32

@ karstenschroeder2

You simply ignore the relevant demand for the whereabouts of the goods (just like the rules that are intended to prevent fraud).

Where is the package now?

As far as I can see there are only two options:

    It is a real and honest customer and the shipment is (was) returned to you.
    Then you would have the goods and the customer would have the money. Then where would there be a scam?

      The alleged customer is a fraud and willfully cancel the payment and you have no protection because you did not ship to the given address.

      If it is the second option, you should finally understand why Amazon pays such strict attention to compliance with the delivery address and why every change of address requires renewed payment verification.

      It is incomprehensible to me why Amazon now has to secure your unauthorized actions, since Amazon basically guarantees for all payments provided that the delivery is made to the appropriate address and has also installed security systems for this.

      It seems to me that you - out of inexperience - have fallen for a fraud and now God and the world and Amazon are responsible for it, except you ...


      karstenschroeder21#33

      The cell phone was delivered to the desired address abroad. As for the AMAZON? Well ... precisely because it is a marketplace, I would have expected competence. But since there is hopefully a “verified delivery address”, my lawyer has a “verified delivery address” for his payment order ...


      karstenschroeder21#34

      Yes ... certainly the customer upon request. In advance, however, I received the address stored on Amazon. This is in Germany.


      karstenschroeder21#35

      @ OFromme… Riiiichtig… it says there. AND? I don't want to hold AMAZON liable, I want the buyer. I only reproach AMAZON for not dealing with conflicts ...


      katana#36

      You still don't seem to get it!

      You fell for a con artist.
      And the Amazon system in particular avoids that this is “actually” possible, provided that the dealers adhere to the specifications.

      The competence you criticized is not with Amazon, who have installed protective mechanisms, but with sellers who act carelessly.

      Certainly all of this is very annoying.
      But it is certainly not Amazon's fault.

      Because it would not have happened if you had followed their guidelines or used your common sense - but all of this has already been written several times.

      I would save the additional costs for the lawyer if I were you ... unless you want to increase your loss.


      No horn#37

      ???

      Now you confuse us all!

      You have one Not verified address sent!


      OFpicious#38

      Yes ... certainly the customer upon request.

      You cannot know for sure.
      > In advance, however, I received the address stored on Amazon. This is in Germany.
      And for this reason you can only send to this address.

      If a customer subsequently wishes to be sent to a different address, the customer must cancel the order (as long as it has not yet been sent, this is possible without any disadvantages) and order the goods again, stating the desired delivery address.

      If you break this rule and fall for a con artist, the goods either don't end up with the buyer but somewhere else, or they end up with the buyer, but the buyer can effectively deny that he has ever received them. If you've mailed to an unverified address, it becomes difficult to prove otherwise. And you can rightly not expect any support from Amazon, as you have violated their terms and conditions; Quite apart from the fact that Amazon cannot do anything in such a case.


      Bastet#39

      I find your arguments amusing.

      But now a serious question: The NEW address given by the customer was in Germany at all?

      Please, please, don't you say she was in Africa?


      Andrea1#40

      You just don't want to understand it, karstenschroeder2, do you?

      As Fritz et. al. have already stated more than clearly and, above all, correctly:

      If you send to an address other than that specified in the sales contract, this will happen + at your own risk +. Then if something goes wrong, you have to pay for it yourself.


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