Is BCG bigger than McKinsey in India

Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Hello everybody,

if you had the choice among the leading strategy consultancies: would you choose Stern Stewart, McKinsey, BCG or Bain? Where do you see relevant differences in terms of career opportunities, company culture, project work and remuneration?

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

don't see Stern Stewart on the same level as MBB

common ranking: M> BCG> Bain
I would take BCG out of personal preference

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Stern Stewart pays the best at all levels, but has the clearly worse exits. If you really have an offer from all 4 companies, you can only choose Mckinsey. Pay is unlikely to do much among the MBB and shouldn't be decisive in the end

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Stern Stewart is not a "leading" management consultancy. They just pay more because they wouldn't get anyone else. The projects are between T2-T3 levels. Working hours 80-90 hours, no BO, no knowledget teams, etc. Not comparable with MBB, not even with T2. It's just a boutique.

To MBB: if you only want to exit, McKinsey is a marginally better name. But none of them take anything. Bain is supposedly more hands on and dow to earth - whatever that means. I would rather go to industry / function and where there are particularly strong partners. If you don't care what you're doing anyway, you might as well flip a (three) coin.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

Hello everybody,

if you had the choice among the leading strategy consultancies: would you choose Stern Stewart, McKinsey, BCG or Bain? Where do you see relevant differences in terms of career opportunities, company culture, project work and remuneration?

I can only agree with the previous speakers. I had been to SSCO myself and then switched. 95% of projects in DACH, especially the lack of a back office, are annoying: If you feel like aligning slides at 3 a.m. - go for it.
Would advise McK or BCG.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Projects at SSCO safely at T1 level. Working hours are no longer so blatant. Exits clearly more difficult than MBB due to the brand name. However, exits are generally more difficult in UB.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

as if the TE has offers from everyone. why think about it beforehand.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Share your point of view. Personal fit and corporate culture are important factors in my opinion. Opinions in the forum differ greatly about SSCO. Do you have personal experience here or how do you come to your assessment?

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

If you want to play in the Champions League, go to McKinsey. With all the consequences: Super smart colleagues, high expectations, pressure, speed, but also occasional competition, hostility and prejudices

You need to know for yourself. Playing nicely at Mainz or Freiburg is sometimes better than sitting on the bench at Bayern

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

Share your point of view. Personal fit and corporate culture are important factors in my opinion. Opinions in the forum differ greatly about SSCO. Do you have personal experience here or how do you come to your assessment?

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Outstanding how the completely interchangeable MBBs are presented here as godlike compared to SSCO. I prefer to earn a lot more, have better projects (on average. You really don't have to give up the operation shit at BCG and the PE CDD crap at Bain) and have the opportunity to pursue my own projects (startup, Africa, ...) . I honestly believe SSCOs are the only ones named with their own profile. Sure, anyone who wants a brand and the best possible exit goes to McK. Those who want 100% PE go to Bain (although the SSCO PE exits are not that bad either) but otherwise there is a lot that will speak for SSCO with certain people. There are enough people walking around there with at least 1 MBB offer;)

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

I can only agree! At MBB you are one of many and are trained to become a real lemming, where you mainly do things and do little yourself.

At SSCO you are taken into account from day 1 and you learn a lot more in less time.
That with the knowledgebase is also bottomless. SSCO has the best network of experts, so that you have first-hand industry expertise for every project ... at MBB, on the other hand, every Dulli who has done a university project in an industry is sold as an expert ...
I wouldn't worry about Exit either - many MBB partners dream of the SSCO network;)

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

Outstanding how the completely interchangeable MBBs are presented here as godlike compared to SSCO. I prefer to earn significantly more, have better projects (on average. You really don't have to give up the operation shit at BCG and the PE CDD crap at Bain) and have the opportunity to pursue my own projects (startup, Africa, ...) . I honestly believe SSCOs are the only ones named with their own profile. Sure, anyone who wants a brand and the best possible exit goes to McK. Those who want 100% PE go to Bain (although the SSCO PE exits are not that bad either) but otherwise there is a lot that will speak for SSCO with certain people. There are enough people walking around with at least 1 MBB offer;)

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

I haven't heard such nonsense in a long time ... I know a lot of people who have found work at SSCO and have not even been invited to MBB. Are you seriously thinking someone with an MBB offer is going to SSCO? Maybe for personal reasons (friends there) or extremely short-sighted salary maximizers. And good exits from SSCO to PEs? I don't think you've ever seen a counseling, bank or PE from the inside. The big ones in particular only hire BB and a few consultants, but then only MBB.

And now to my answer: I agree with my outposts, McKinsey is the better brand overall. But would also look there for industry and where who is stronger, if something interests you specifically. In my opinion, the slightly better brand is of secondary importance. You have to spend 60-70 hours with people, because I would always choose BCG with still top exits and - so it's clear, it's just my feeling - the more correct people and much more collegial / less stuffy.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

Outstanding how the completely interchangeable MBBs are presented here as godlike compared to SSCO. I prefer to earn significantly more, have better projects (on average. You really don't have to give up the operation shit at BCG and the PE CDD crap at Bain) and have the opportunity to pursue my own projects (startup, Africa, ...) . I honestly believe SSCOs are the only ones named with their own profile. Sure, anyone who wants a brand and the best possible exit goes to McK. Those who want 100% PE go to Bain (although the SSCO PE exits are not that bad either) but otherwise there is a lot that will speak for SSCO with certain people. There are enough people walking around there with at least 1 MBB offer;)

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Right, one among many. Lots of people who just still have a better profile than the people at SSCO.
If you think SSCO has a better network of experts than MBB, then there is no more help. In many projects, expert interviews are conducted, at MBB it then runs through certain companies that specialize in this kind of thing and manage an expert network.
And if an MBB partner from the alumni network dreams of SSCO, then it is more of a nightmare in comparison: D stops pushing SSCO.
It's a solid T3 store where you also have top projects, nobody can deny that. But better than MBB is absurd.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

I can only agree! At MBB you are one of many and are trained to become a real lemming, where you mainly do things and do little yourself.

At SSCO you are taken into account from day 1 and you learn a lot more in less time.
That with the knowledgebase is also bottomless. SSCO has the best network of experts, so that you have first-hand industry expertise for every project ... at MBB, on the other hand, every Dulli who has done a university project in an industry is sold as an expert ...
I wouldn't worry about Exit either - many MBB partners dream of the SSCO network;)

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

Outstanding how the completely interchangeable MBBs are presented here as godlike compared to SSCO. I prefer to earn significantly more, have better projects (on average. You really don't have to give up the operation shit at BCG and the PE CDD crap at Bain) and have the opportunity to pursue my own projects (startup, Africa, ...) . I honestly believe SSCOs are the only ones named with their own profile. Sure, anyone who wants a brand and the best possible exit goes to McK. Those who want 100% PE go to Bain (although the SSCO PE exits are not that bad either) but otherwise there is a lot that will speak for SSCO with certain people. There are enough people walking around there with at least 1 MBB offer;)

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

Outstanding how the completely interchangeable MBBs are presented here as godlike compared to SSCO. I prefer to earn a lot more, have better projects (on average. You really don't have to give up the operation shit at BCG and the PE CDD crap at Bain) and have the opportunity to pursue my own projects (startup, Africa, ...) . I honestly believe SSCOs are the only ones named with their own profile. Sure, anyone who wants a brand and the best possible exit goes to McK. Those who want 100% PE go to Bain (although the SSCO PE exits are not that bad either) but otherwise there is a lot that will speak for SSCO with certain people. There are enough people walking around there with at least 1 MBB offer;)

Please take a look at the project references on the homepage. Of course, Stern Stewart, like everyone else, does a lot of operational projects. Anything else would be stupid even in today's development of the consulting industry, since a large part of the market growth is based precisely on these topics.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

But someone has absolutely no idea what SSCO looks like from the inside when you compare the long-standing former CXOs of leading companies who are part of the project team and work on site with the 0815 experts from the expert networks who are interviewed for 30 minutes on market development AND the second one as well want to talk harder. Easy lol.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Rarely read such nonsense.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

I haven't heard such nonsense in a long time ... I know a lot of people who have found work at SSCO and have not even been invited to MBB. Are you seriously thinking someone with an MBB offer is going to SSCO? Maybe for personal reasons (friends there) or extremely short-sighted salary maximizers. And good exits from SSCO to PEs? I don't think you've ever seen a counseling, bank or PE from the inside. The big ones in particular only hire BB and a few consultants, but then only MBB.

And now to my answer: I agree with my outposts, McKinsey is the better brand overall. But would also look there for industry and where who is stronger, if something interests you specifically. In my opinion, the slightly better brand is of secondary importance. You have to spend 60-70 hours with people, because I would always choose BCG with still top exits and - so it's clear, it's just my feeling - the more correct people and much more collegial / less stuffy.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

: D funny how the Stern Stewart people throw themselves crying at the post and talk badly about MBB

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

But someone has absolutely no idea what SSCO looks like from the inside when you compare the long-standing former CXOs of leading companies who are part of the project team and work on site with the 0815 experts from the expert networks who are interviewed for 30 minutes on market development AND the second one as well want to talk harder. Easy lol.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

But someone has absolutely no idea what SSCO looks like from the inside when you compare the long-standing former CXOs of leading companies who are part of the project team and work on site with the 0815 experts from the expert networks who are interviewed for 30 minutes on market development AND the second one as well want to talk harder. Easy lol.

You don't understand what you're trying to say.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

However, SSCO often gets their experts from the same expert networks, right? Or are these CXOs exclusively under contract with SSCO? I would be surprised.

In any case, what he wants to say: Part of SSCO's business model is to take long-standing experts (i.e. external parties) with you on the project. Anyway, a big trend in advice and definitely an advantage for the customer.

But theoretically, the MBB could do exactly the same because they can also have access to these experts via expert networks.

Which is clear in any case (before anyone says that): No! There are no such real industry experts within consultations - not even at MBB

WiWi Gast wrote on June 13, 2019:

But someone has absolutely no idea what SSCO looks like from the inside when you compare the long-standing former CXOs of leading companies who are part of the project team and work on site with the 0815 experts from the expert networks who are interviewed for 30 minutes on market development AND the second one as well want to talk harder. Easy lol.

You don't understand what you're trying to say.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

I think that there are actually more valid reasons to go to SSCO than the salary difference (apparently they recently increased it to 90 fixed plus 20 variable). I decided on MBB myself (after an internship at SSCO and MBB), but the decision against SSCO was difficult for me. Reasons for this: Family atmosphere, flatter hierarchies, far more flexibility (leave, project staffing, Africa projects, alternative traveling), faster opportunities for advancement within the company ... Primarily, however, the brand and the associated exit opportunities were decisive

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

I had the following situation a few years ago:

SSCO: Not advertised at all
McKinsey: Not invited
BCG: Cancellation after the first round
Bain: Offer received and accepted

Then - no shit - decided with a heavy heart for Bain. :)

But found the shop awful. But I would have found the other 3 terrible too.

Otherwise, I agree: McKinsey is certainly unmatched by the fire. Even my peasant mother-in-law from the village in the pampas knows the name.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

I know many who get an offer at MBB and were not even invited to SSCO. They attach great importance to personality, which one does not claim at MBB, and apparently actually still apply the rules of five (FH Aschaffenburg sends its regards).

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

My goodness ... "family atmosphere", "pay attention to personality" ...
Nobody who has a choice between McKinsey and SSCO opts for the latter. No matter how great the other factors are, in the end MBB is simply unbeatable in the overall package.

In addition, the SSCO profiles are really not particularly impressive. A couple of business graduates who are above average, but by no means outstanding. Plus, everyone's résumés look completely identical - absolutely boring. At MBB you meet really interesting personalities.

No hate, SSCO is certainly a very good consulting company, but compared to MBB ... let's stay on the carpet folks.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

But I ;)

WiWi Gast wrote on February 25th, 2020:

Nobody who has a choice between McKinsey and SSCO opts for the latter. No matter how great the other factors are, in the end MBB is simply unbeatable in the overall package.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Would definitely see SSCO on a par with MBB in Germany.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

WiWi Gast wrote on February 25th, 2020:

In Germany I would definitely see SSCO on a par with MBB.

But the big catch, why SSCO is not even T2, you name yourself, right?

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, they will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

+1 I can only confirm. By far the worst culture of the big ones!
With the other two, the cohesion and the mood at juniors is much better (and that even at Bain and the high proportion of FS, Insurance, PE etc.) There you are left alone for the 2 years and the doctorate is more of a tenure based than with Gruen where day 1 is just stressful (if you don't end up in the right team). No other advice sifts dozens of juniors in the first two years and puts people on the hit list after 6 months :-D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Can somebody confirm that?
So that BCG sorts out more than McK.
Assumed that McK would have a harder time sticking with it.

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

WiWi Gast wrote on February 25th, 2020:

In Germany I would definitely see SSCO on a par with MBB.

Is just your opinion. Doesn't change the fact that SSCO is generally to be located after T2. There are also people who prefer Big4 to MBB. Is a matter of personal preference. The majority of people will prefer MBB, T2, and even T3 to SSCO.

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

I keep wondering how people can spread such nonsense. Generous staffing? I have friends at SSCO and it just means that because of the size you just can't decide how to be staggered. And I don't know where your MBB experience comes from either. was at BCG myself and bad culture honestly looks different. For me, that just shows that you weren't at any of the MBBs either, because at least everyone got on really well with us.

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Don't believe everything you read here, folks ... Everything about the culture at MBB is unchanged so far. McKinsey attaches great importance to academic achievement and thus also attracts a lot of nerds. BCG is right in between and has both the nerds and the people who have always been smart but at the same time were cool people. Bain really down to earth and young. I studied at one of the "Target Universities" propagated here and I easily know 5 people who started at MBB. From day 1 just stress is also absolute nonsense. If you had any idea, you would know that the "Up or Out" principle is roughly the same for all companies. At BCG, too, one is classified into quantiles according to their valuation. Those who are in the lower should perform on the next project. all others don't have to worry and can take their educational leave just like that after 2 years.

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

+1 I can only confirm. By far the worst culture of the big ones!
With the other two, the cohesion and the mood at Juniors is much better (and that even with Bain and the high proportion of FS, Insurance, PE etc.) There you are left alone for the 2 years and the doctorate is more of a tenure based than with Gruen where day 1 is just stressful (if you don't end up in the right team). No other advice sifts dozens of juniors in the first two years and puts people on the hit list after 6 months :-D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Bain has the best climate among juniors. It's now general knowledge, I thought (Glassdoor, Kununu and co).

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

+1 I can only confirm. By far the worst culture of the big ones!
With the other two, the cohesion and the mood at Juniors is much better (and that even with Bain and the high proportion of FS, Insurance, PE etc.) There you are left alone for the 2 years and the doctorate is more of a tenure based than with Gruen where day 1 is just stressful (if you don't end up in the right team). No other advice sifts dozens of juniors in the first two years and puts people on the hit list after 6 months :-D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Definitely on the high ranks, so from the EM promotion it will look different again.

The comment was now related to the entry, random sample are acquaintances and fellow students of a Target Uni, at McK and Bain no forced exits are known (certainly with exceptions). In the case of greens, on the other hand, 10% -20% per year are cut off or some go after a year.

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Can somebody confirm that?
So that BCG sorts out more than McK.
Assumed that McK would have a harder time sticking with it.

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Best contribution as a symbol for BCG in Germany, always smart but one of the cool ones, all right. It is normal for everyone in the company to say that everyone is nice. You belong to ws.to the group that make the shop so uncomfortable, compared to down to earth and young (what kind of categorization is that?) at Bain, brilliant.

I have now worked in 3 countries and (even if generalized) you always see the same pattern. McK is very large, little internal network, you hardly ever come across it. BCG a lot of people who think themselves cool or nerds, the sympathetic people do as little as possible with colleagues outside of the office (with the exception of the Middle East and LatAm, especially Brazil top). Bain is always a sworn troop (but you have to like it too, is very fraternity-like).

And of course the people in the upper categories don't have to worry, but BCG is also the only shop that does not promote 30 people + per year and where the pig is really going internally: D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Don't believe everything you read here, folks ... Everything about the culture at MBB is unchanged so far. McKinsey attaches great importance to academic achievement and thus also attracts a lot of nerds. BCG is right in between and has both the nerds and the people who have always been smart but at the same time were cool people. Bain really down to earth and young. I studied at one of the "Target Universities" propagated here and I easily know 5 people who started at MBB. From day 1 just stress is also absolute nonsense. If you had any idea, you would know that the "Up or Out" principle is roughly the same for all companies. At BCG, too, one is classified into quantiles according to their valuation. Those who are in the lower should perform on the next project. all others don't have to worry and can take their educational leave just like that after 2 years.

+1 I can only confirm. By far the worst culture of the big ones!
With the other two, the cohesion and the mood at Juniors is much better (and that even with Bain and the high proportion of FS, Insurance, PE etc.) There you are left alone for the 2 years and the doctorate is more of a tenure based than with Gruen where day 1 is just stressful (if you don't end up in the right team). No other advice sifts dozens of juniors in the first two years and puts people on the hit list after 6 months :-D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Someone at BCG was probably not even invited to a conversation ... but you clearly know how internally "the pig goes off" in the lower echelons ... WiWi forum at its best

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Best contribution as a symbol for BCG in Germany, always smart but one of the cool ones, all right. It is normal for everyone in the company to say that everyone is nice. You belong to ws. to the group that make the shop so uncomfortable, compared to down to earth and young (what kind of categorization is that?) at Bain, brilliant.

I have now worked in 3 countries and (even if generalized) you always see the same pattern. McK is very large, little internal network, you hardly ever come across it. BCG a lot of people who think themselves cool or nerds, the sympathetic people do as little as possible with colleagues outside of the office (with the exception of the Middle East and LatAm, especially Brazil top). Bain is always a sworn troop (but you have to like it too, is very fraternity-like).

And of course the people in the upper categories don't have to worry, but BCG is also the only shop that does not promote 30 people + per year and where the pig is really going on internally: D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Don't believe everything you read here, folks ... Everything about the culture at MBB is unchanged so far. McKinsey attaches great importance to academic achievement and thus also attracts a lot of nerds. BCG is right in between and has both the nerds and the people who have always been smart but at the same time were cool people. Bain really down to earth and young. I studied at one of the "Target Universities" propagated here and I easily know 5 people who started at MBB. From day 1 just stress is also absolute nonsense. If you had any idea, you would know that the "Up or Out" principle is roughly the same for all companies. At BCG, too, one is classified into quantiles according to their valuation. Those who are in the lower should perform on the next project. all others don't have to worry and can take their educational leave just like that after 2 years.

+1 I can only confirm. By far the worst culture of the big ones!
With the other two, the cohesion and the mood at Juniors is much better (and that even with Bain and the high proportion of FS, Insurance, PE etc.) There you are left alone for the 2 years and the doctorate is more of a tenure based than with Gruen where day 1 is just stressful (if you don't end up in the right team). No other advice sifts dozens of juniors in the first two years and puts people on the hit list after 6 months :-D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

whoever wins the most quoted ...: D

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Bain, Stern Stewart, McKinsey or BCG? The agony of choice...

Worse, I work there. Unfortunately it didn't work with the better company :(

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Someone at BCG was probably not even invited to a conversation ... but you clearly know how internally "the pig goes off" in the lower echelons ... WiWi forum at its best

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Best contribution as a symbol for BCG in Germany, always smart but one of the cool ones, all right. It is normal for everyone in the company to say that everyone is nice. You belong to ws. to the group that makes the shop so uncomfortable, compared to down to earth and young (what kind of categorization is that?) at Bain, brilliant.

I have now worked in 3 countries and (even if generalized) you always see the same pattern. McK is very large, little internal network, you hardly ever come across it. BCG a lot of people who think themselves cool or nerds, the sympathetic people do as little as possible with colleagues outside of the office (with the exception of the Middle East and LatAm, especially Brazil top). Bain is always a sworn troop (but you have to like it too, is very fraternity-like).

And of course the people in the upper categories don't have to worry, but BCG is also the only shop that does not promote 30 people + per year and where the pig is really going on internally: D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Don't believe everything you read here, folks ... Everything about the culture at MBB is unchanged so far. McKinsey attaches great importance to academic achievement and thus also attracts a lot of nerds. BCG is right in between and has both the nerds and the people who have always been smart but at the same time were cool people. Bain really down to earth and young. I studied at one of the "Target Universities" propagated here and I easily know 5 people who started at MBB. From day 1 just stress is also absolute nonsense. If you had any idea, you would know that the "Up or Out" principle is roughly the same for all companies. At BCG, too, one is classified into quantiles according to their valuation. Those who are in the lower should perform on the next project. all others don't have to worry and can take their educational leave just like that after 2 years.

+1 I can only confirm. By far the worst culture of the big ones!
With the other two, the cohesion and the mood at Juniors is much better (and that even with Bain and the high proportion of FS, Insurance, PE etc.) There you are left alone for the 2 years and the doctorate is more of a tenure based than with Gruen where day 1 is just stressful (if you don't end up in the right team). No other advice sifts dozens of juniors in the first two years and puts people on the hit list after 6 months :-D

WiWi Gast wrote on February 26th, 2020:

Yes, it is much better. Alone because of the generosity in staffing. Bain doesn’t care what your personal preferences are, you will be put wherever you are needed. BCG has a very bad culture and weeding people out like stupid.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

McKinsey is not that much better than the two B's, or depending on the industry / function / country there are also differences in the ranking.
If TE has offers for everyone, I would decide based on the above criteria (ask HR for contact persons in the teams who are of interest to you) and, above all, include personal fit. I'm more likely to find myself at BCG than at McK & Bain, but that doesn't apply to anyone else

There is no need to talk about SSC here, whoever goes there with an offer from MBB cannot be helped.

WiWi Gast wrote on June 12, 2019:

What a question. Clearly McKinsey. No matter how hard BCG and Bain try, McKinsey is still the clear number 1.
I don't get what you want with Stern Stewart. Should probably pay well according to the forum, but are to be settled far below MBB in every other area and in the long term, certainly also in terms of salary ...

McK >> BCG> Bain >>>>>> SSCO

reply